Ken Lewis Has Been Robbed
I saw my website the other day, only there was something very strange about it. It was my website, my design, my business model, my ideas, on page after page, my words practically verbatim, in some cases, my text taken directly from my site. Only there was one big problem. IT WAS NOT MY NAME!!!!!! check out this thief.......
DanFrampton.com
I guess they say any publicity is good publicity, but if I have to give this guy some publicity in order to call him out on his Grand Theft Website, then thats what I'll do. The saddest thing is this guy "supposedly" has good credits and has done good work, but then if his moral base is this low, then who knows, maybe he stole his credits too? I mean, arent we in a creative business? Shouldnt someone who spends his days creating in the studio be able to create a website thats not a carbon F'ing copy of mine?????
I mean, it would be one thing if he simply borrowed a couple ideas and made them his own, but this guy straight up jacked my whole site. Usually i dont get bent out of shape about stuff like this, but this was just so flagrantly over the top immoral, underhanded, unethical, i felt i needed to launch a blog war, at least as my first salvo. I emailed him. He admitted to "stumbling across my site" and ..."being influenced by my site". So i emailed him back a few days ago asking him to create an original website, but thats where he lost his balls. He has not responded yet.
SO....... I'd like to ask all of you guys reading this blog to send good ole' Dan Frampton an email complimenting him on my, i mean his website. Whatever else you'd like to say to Dan is completely up to you :-)
info@danframpton.com
tell your friends to drop him an email. Now, being that he also mixes records, maybe i should be worried about someone reading my blog, going to his site, and hiring him to mix your record, but then, if you really want to trust your project, your most precious possession, to an engineer who has stolen so directly from me, then I guess you trust him not to steal your music, or maybe he'll just borrow parts of it. I'm sure all the London labels are going to be lining up to hire this guy after they find out how trustworthy he is with their most precious possessions, their artists.
I'm appalled.
-Ken Lewis
DanFrampton.com
I guess they say any publicity is good publicity, but if I have to give this guy some publicity in order to call him out on his Grand Theft Website, then thats what I'll do. The saddest thing is this guy "supposedly" has good credits and has done good work, but then if his moral base is this low, then who knows, maybe he stole his credits too? I mean, arent we in a creative business? Shouldnt someone who spends his days creating in the studio be able to create a website thats not a carbon F'ing copy of mine?????
I mean, it would be one thing if he simply borrowed a couple ideas and made them his own, but this guy straight up jacked my whole site. Usually i dont get bent out of shape about stuff like this, but this was just so flagrantly over the top immoral, underhanded, unethical, i felt i needed to launch a blog war, at least as my first salvo. I emailed him. He admitted to "stumbling across my site" and ..."being influenced by my site". So i emailed him back a few days ago asking him to create an original website, but thats where he lost his balls. He has not responded yet.
SO....... I'd like to ask all of you guys reading this blog to send good ole' Dan Frampton an email complimenting him on my, i mean his website. Whatever else you'd like to say to Dan is completely up to you :-)
info@danframpton.com
tell your friends to drop him an email. Now, being that he also mixes records, maybe i should be worried about someone reading my blog, going to his site, and hiring him to mix your record, but then, if you really want to trust your project, your most precious possession, to an engineer who has stolen so directly from me, then I guess you trust him not to steal your music, or maybe he'll just borrow parts of it. I'm sure all the London labels are going to be lining up to hire this guy after they find out how trustworthy he is with their most precious possessions, their artists.
I'm appalled.
-Ken Lewis
posted by Protools Mixing at 2:05 AM
16 Comments:
Ken,
Enraged! I am shocked by the nerve some people have thinking they can do it and get away with it. The figure no one will bother to say a thing to them. May I suggest you have your lawyer send him a cease and desist letter, being that you already sent him a email and he responded so he is fully aware of his actions. I ran a search and this is one site talks about protecting the source code of your web page to avoid it from being copied (I am not associated with that site in anyway shape or form)
Best wishes!
N.
http://www.antssoft.com/htmlprotector/index.htm?ref=google&group=1
Sorry, left out the link...to my defense it is 2am.
N.
As a web designer myself, I am disgusted with this. There are so many people out there with the artistic ability to make a company look good in this medium. I mean this guy did absolutely NOTHING crative with what he took from you. I especially like the quotes running along side the text. That doesn't make it obvious or anything!
Sorry people like him should be kicked in the face.
It's doesn't look like your website to me... and are there many people out there doing the same thing as you? In fact, haven't there been people doing the same thing you're doing for many years?
to the person who said "it doesnt look like your website to me". First off, Are you blind? Second, did you notice how many times he took text directly from my site and added it to his? Or changed 4 words in a whole paragraph. do you notice how many theme's are incredibly similar between both sites? And well, there is the fact that i emailed him about it and gave him the opportunity to come clean and change his site before i blogged about it and he admitted "the influence it has had on my design". his words. however, he didnt agree to change his site, so i figured i'd let the public see for themselves.
i really dont care if anyone takes my business model, i do care if someone takes my website. My site has been active for 4 years by the way, and i took my business model, as well as my site design, straight out of my brain, not from anyone else. As far as i have seen, and i dont claim to have seen everyones site, but as far as i have seen, i am definitely a pioneer with this business model. I was the first that I've seen to do it. i'm sure there are others.
So my question to you, mr anonymous poster, would you trust your music with this guy? i wouldnt trust anything to anyone who would so blatantly steal from someone prominent in the industry. But i guess maybe thats just me.
-Ken
a) I'm not blind.
b) No I didn't notice.
c) I think the important thing was that he was "influenced" by your design.
d) Are you not aware that your so called "business plan" that you "pioneered" is realy just a modified version of a plan that has been used for 30+ years?
e) Therefor, doesn't it mean that that "influenced" your so called original idea?
Based on that your rationality, you stole your own idea.
Mr. Anonymous
Hmmm.... So my business plan has been around for 30+ years? I didnt realize the internet has been around that long. I didnt realize that 30 years ago, you could be anywhere in the world and almost instantly hear your mix when its done. I didnt realize that mix changes and recalls could be done in a matter of minutes 30 years ago, instead of having to reset each knob on the console by hand. I'm really behind the times.
Saying my business plan has been around for 30 years is like comparing the business model of an ipod to a walkman. i mean they both play music dont they? obviously the same thing.
further, if you didnt notice some of the places where Dan has taken text directly from my site, let me show you......
services
plagiarism
something tells me you'll find a way to convince yourself this isnt theft? Perfectly ethical business practices. You must be a good friend of Dan.
and didnt I already say that "i really dont care if anyone takes my business model, i do care if someone takes my website." You can have my business model but the best business model without the talent behind it is worthless. Go ahead, take a misguided jab at my talent, you'll look better.
And lets face it, if Dan is willing to go as far as admitting he was "influenced" by my design, I think the rest of us rational people can fill in the blanks. Based on your rationality, you are irrational, and anonymous. My favorite type of dissenting poster. Every web designer and engineer i know thats seen these two sites has a fairly shocking response. But you're probably some high school kid with an internet connection.
-Ken
Anonymous:
You just got owned!
Don't get me wrong, I do agree with you on some level that his site has been influenced by your site... But to claim that your "business model" is original or that you "invented" it is simply flat wrong. Claiming that mixing via the internet is your idea is about as rediculous as Al Gore claiming he invented it.
I said it once and I'll say it again, it's just a modified version of the same thing. Really, ask yourself how much different it is than say using ISDN? It is on some level, but not fundamentally.
Also, I'm sure you're aware that mix recall has been around for 2 decades...
If you're really interested in correnting me, explain to me how this concept / business idea belongs to you?
is it only me or is anyone else's "Moron Detector" going off???
I have a feeling i know who this is anyway, no wonder they want to stay anonymous. I would too if its who i think it is.
Does this moron actually believe that i think i've cornered the market on internet mixing? Does he really think that when i say "My" business model, i actually mean, my own pateneted "nobody else has ever thought of this ever", i am unique in the world, business model.
Lets see, selling services via internet. Yes, quite original arent i? I'm speaking in generalizations my friend. My business model, the one that i use, and a whole lot of other people too. Having said that, I am the first person that i saw doing what i do, and I knew many other people would do the exact same thing independently of me. Its the obvious evolution of this industry. And i also said I'm sure there were other people doing it before me. Many people that are good friends of mine do exactly what i do. And please dont "Quote" things that i didnt say. I did not say i "Invented" this business model. Thank you. What i did attempt to imply was that i did not look at someone elses business model and copy it. Dan copied far more from me than my business model, and didnt i already say i was offended that he copied my website, not my business model? Time to split hairs again.
What i do and how i do it came from my own brain. Alot of my mixing techniques did, but i'm sure other people have figured the same things out completely on their own. and i am the first person i know of who offered "major label mixing engineer offers independent artists anywhere in the world the same acess to major label quality mixes, at a price independents can afford." If someone else was doing that before me, please, by all means, tell me who. I'm sure somebody was, somewhere. But really, do you honestly believe that I'm attempting to imply that I'm the only person smart enough to ever think of this? And what does that have to do with Dan Frampton plagiarizing my site? Grow up.
Lets tackle the complete idiot statement you made about recalls. Recalls have been around far longer than 2 decades. Anything can be notated by hand and reset at a later date. Just takes paper, pencil, and TIME. they were probably doing it in the 50's.
My words were...... I didnt realize that mix changes and recalls could be done in a matter of minutes 30 years ago, instead of having to reset each knob on the console by hand. I'm really behind the times.........
Standard recalls over the last two decades detail the following. reset, every knob, fader, and button, on an entire mixing console by hand. then reset every parameter of every piece of outboard mixing gear by hand and make every patch, and dont make a mistake, and hope that all the gear is still calibrated right. Hell, hope the room you did the mix in is even available to book again. then pay a bunch of money to go in that room, typically for 4 to 12 hours and revise your mix, and HOPE you dont have to recall it again, and pay for another recall!!!!! and by the way, I've done many sessions as an assistant, and as an engineer, with recalls. They are tedious, rarely come back totally correctly, and take many many hours. I once spent 4 hours recalling a Roberta Flack mix just to get it back to the original mix, then they spent hours on changes. With Pro Tools, its 5 minutes. Geez, no difference at all.
My business model (and others, i dont own it), recalls can be done very quickly, and i do not charge another penny for mix revisions. Obviously you cannot see the difference, however, I'd encourage you to actually use your brain before you continue to attempt to split hairs with me.
And last, ISDN. Yes, internet is NIGHT AND DAY different than ISDN. Very few people, and very few studios had ISDN lines. Frank Sinatra's "Duet's" album was done via ISDN. How many artists have Frank Sinatra's album budget?
Today's Internet is ABSOLUTELY FUNDAMENTALLY different than ISDN. Because every single one of my clients, as well as millions of others in the world, have an internet connection. "My" business model would have been impossible to implement using ISDN technology. Please, can you procure a REAL arguement, or do you just argue for arguement's sake? I've just got to question why you or anyone would defend someone like Dan Frampton? You seem to be the only one who doesnt see the obvious lack of ethics and morals on good ole Dan's part.
I bet you are the same person who i lit up over being the Blog Police. Anyone who hasnt read that post, its from a couple months ago, and is a hysterical read. I'm sure i misspelled something in the above post, though you did too.
-Ken
KEN: "is it only me or is anyone else's "Moron Detector" going off???"
Yes.
Troy Hightower was doing it....he has taught alot of engineers well that assisted at Soundtracks....LOL
Troy Hightower, amazing mix engineer. I assisted for his sessions on and off for many months when i first started at Soundtrack in New York City. He taught me alot about hip hop when i didnt know shit about it, and he taught me alot about mixing hip hop. That was 1993 and 1994. He didnt teach me anything about the internet, but i did just look at his site. Nice site. Yep, similar type of services, hey wow, totally different look and feel. I dont know how long Troy's site has been up but I'll take your word for it. He went Freelance in 1994, I went Freelance in 1995, i've talked to him about 5 times since. Its so nice to see that i still have people out there who remember the old days of Soundtrack Studios, ISDN, Recall, assisting, etc...
-Ken
Troy Hightower, amazing mix engineer. I assisted for his sessions on and off for many months when i first started at Soundtrack in New York City. He taught me alot about hip hop when i didnt know shit about it, and he taught me alot about mixing hip hop. That was 1993 and 1994. He didnt teach me anything about the internet, but i did just look at his site. Nice site. Yep, similar type of services, hey wow, totally different look and feel. I dont know how long Troy's site has been up but I'll take your word for it. He went Freelance in 1994, I went Freelance in 1995, i've talked to him about 5 times since. Its so nice to see that i still have people out there who remember the old days of Soundtrack Studios, ISDN, Recall, assisting, etc...
-Ken
hey bro, sad i am reading this...and yes he has done a bad thing - but, my sister is a lawyer now so...i think "Scam Dan" is gonna get an email or a phonecall about that...and a good thing is when you try to push around in the industry, and you have not secured a "deal", but you walk away with good friends and solid contacts; much better, for a sweeter deal down the road...anyways YOU ROCK! love ya lots ... Dev (AquaFiction)
I smell a PHONY!
Tell him he is a blatant rip off.
And if he was a serious successful engineer he'd hire a graphic designer to do his shit.
-Tom Wells
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